Some thoughts on the original values and institutions and the effects of the reformist ethos .I once listened to a debate between two philosophers, Dr John Gray (a conservative) and Dr Wojeich Sadurski (a democratic socialist in the Rawls tradition), which debate demonstrated the problems I have when listening to philosophers. What both had to say (and this applies to all good philosophers) is that they are internally consistent within their framework and on the basis of their premises. Competing philosophers often appear to me to be proceeding along parallel tracks in their internally consistent conceptual carriages. When Gray tried to relate (somewhat irritably) to Sadurski's emphasis on minorities and poverty, he was pushed into a position of over-emphasising the importance of "exit points" and under-estimating the suffering and problems of minorities and the poor. My hunch (perhaps in my ignorance) is that the ultimate escape or the choice must be based on common sense (refer explanation above) or qualifications on liberty based on morality. The opponent of the reformist's position on minorities and poverty has more than common sense and philosophical arguments to support his position. There is vast body of empirical evidence about the counter productive consequences arising from the use of law and regulation to address the problems of minorities and poverty. It has been said of the Lyndon Johnson war against poverty, "poverty won". The wrong ideas and instruments were used. The "trickle down effect" is contemptuously dismissed by Marxist and socialist philosophers. It is not adequately addressed by their liberal (in the European sense) opponents. To my mind the "trickle down effect" provides a slow, but workable (and to my mind the only method) of countering poverty, in the context of a type of political and social organisation which once prevailed in western nations. Regulationism based on equality, fairness and social justice (as distinct from inter-personal justice) creates more injustice than it redresses, imposes ever increasing limits on liberty and individuality and in terms of benefits to those sought to be helped is counterproductive, regressive and reactionary.
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